.Andrei Pivovarov was among the 16 captives without Russia in last week's major prisoner substitution between Moscow as well as the West.The popular opponent activist, 42, was carried out a Warsaw-bound aircraft through Russian surveillance solutions in 2021 after the pro-democracy group Open up Russia, which he moved, was actually banned as " undesired." He was actually penalized to 4 years in prison in 2022 for his collaborate with the team.The Moscow Times talked to Pivovarov concerning the swap as well as his plans for the future:.MT: Just how performed you experience when you were being actually required to the airport terminal? Did you recognize that it was an exchange?AP: By the opportunity our experts got to the flight terminal, it was actually currently very clear that our team were actually being required to a swap, but our team didn't know where.I suppose I entirely comprehended the incredibly reality of what was actually occurring when I was actually being actually taken from the colony on Sunday early morning. It was the 25th [of July] I realized that something remarkable was happening considering that I was grabbed by the scalp of the colony as well as he personally assisted me hold my things. Yet there were no specifics.You tend to assume the worst in any kind of not clear condition. I had all sorts of thought and feelings. But there was a minute when I was actually delivered-- I had to sign for a dry out assignment. And also I view a name on the previous line: Alexandra Skochilenko. And I'm sure that if Sasha as well as I are actually with each other, it is actually barely a bad account.I believed that it would certainly be like in the flicks-- a scene where our experts are actually pardoned by the tsar and discharged before the RT cams. The second opportunity was a variation of the philosophers' airplane, which regrettably ended up being even more real in life.However every little thing was actually hidden up until the exact end. When our team were actually given Lefortovo [Jail, prior to the exchange], our company were in seclusion and could not call anyone.On Thursday early morning they carried us a launch certificate without order number, nothing. Our team had half an hour to pack, our experts brought our points.There were folks in hides and outfits with our team. If some of our team avoided and also declined to become deported, their task was actually to put our team on the airplane whatsoever. They explicitly told our team that later.The 1st individual I found on the bus was [Ilya] Yashin. It was actually certainly pleasant to see him. There recognized as well as unknown faces afterwards, yet personally, I was actually incredibly worried whether Volodya Kara-Murza would certainly exist. He was just one of the last to be introduced, which was actually a substantial comfort, considering that he possesses the longest sentence.Perform you know who pushed for your inclusion in the checklist?How the lists were actually developed is actually an enigma to me. I have not had the capacity to speak to all my coworkers however. From my understanding, there were actually various teams where details was gathered and the final list was actually much larger than what you have actually found. And it was minimized through Russia. When all the desires were collected and interacted and also form of set, far fewer people were inevitably released.You were supposed to be discharged in a month ...This is one of the best complicated points for me. If you take a look at my unlawful lawsuit, the time period that I had left behind [to serve] can easily not be compared to the regards to the others [political detainees]I can easily claim that I know from many resources that the likelihood of my release [at the end of my paragraph] was actually certainly not ensured. That is actually why I wound up on the list. Our experts have actually seen examples where folks were actually jailed on their way out of the colony given that some brand new unlawful scenarios were opened. And also regrettably, there were phone calls that claimed that in my situation, the end result may not be actually the best.What are your plannings now? Do you understand what you will perform in the future?I am now a person without any papers and also no feeling of home. I was provided a Russian interior travel permit as well as I possess 2 documents-- one replaces my [overseas key] and also the 2nd substitutes my visa. As it was explained to me, these papers permit me to stay in Germany for 15 times-- specifically in Germany, certainly not in the EU. It's challenging to make major plans. So initially, naturally, I wish to solve the domestic parts.And afterwards-- I have actually been performing social and also political work for 15-20 years. My stay in penitentiary performed not repel me coming from it, however however determined me even more. I possess some suggestions, as I possessed time to presume as well as reflect [behind bars]As well as the primary target right here, perhaps, is to try to talk much more along with those that remained inside [Russia] To make an effort to use a program to collaborate with those that may certainly not be our supporters, but who are discouraged with what is actually happening. If our company can easily provide [people in Russia] the opportunity to reveal on their own without placing on their own at significant danger, I think that's what a democratic force must do.